ao3commentoftheday:

No, you definitely cannot do that, anon. Orphaned works are gone forever. AO3 actually has no record of who wrote it after the fact and there’s no way to reverse the process.

If you want to retain the rights to your work, try using the anonymous collection for your fic. It will remove your name from being seen by readers, but the work will remain attached to your account.

While we’re talking about it, we are not endorsing on this blog that you copy or edit other people’s work. If you want to continue a fic that someone has orphaned, we suggest you start a new work that picks up where the old one left off and link back to the original work as the source of your inspiration. Most writers who have orphaned works have been supportive of that but copying and/or editing what someone else has written is unquestionably plagiarism whether the author is known or not. 

Please don’t plagiarize other people’s work, guys. Not cool and it will never be cool.

–Mod M

arianaofimladris:

cycas:

vanimore:

sorrowssinger:

Okay so I am going to address something that has sort of been bothering me. If incest bothers you why are you involved in the Tolkien fandom more over why are you making a big deal about it? No don’t tell me that it doesn’t exist. Turin and Neinor (yes I know I probably got her name wrong) is an incest ship and it’s canon, Celeborn and Galadriel are cousins so that is incest, Aragorn is the descendant of Elrond’s twin brother and he married Arwen. That is not even touching on the Ainur or the first Elves, Dwarves, and Men. So my question is if it bothers you then why are you here making a big deal about what is a key component of canon?

It’s pretty much all I write. But not because of reading the Silm. The saddest, most tragic, most beautiful relationship I have read was incest in another book (it was round about the time I first read the Silm, so way back in the 80′s. Tigana, by Guy Gavriel Kay, the man who helped Christopher Tolkien put together the Silmarillion, and I can’t help thinking he was influenced by Túrin/Nienor since the components were similar, the trauma of war, etc) and it made such a huge impression that I thought ‘this is worth writing about, it’s hard, complex and painful.’

Not that I think people who don’t write it or read it should sod off! You can write your whole way through the Silm without touching on it except obviously Túrin and Nienor, poor things, but you know, it’s a case of ‘don’t like, don’t read’, for me. It’s no-one’s business to throw an almighty tantrum at any author who writes it. It exists in life and in published works, too. And as Guy Kay shows, it can be handled wonderfully. 

I assume that OP is from a culture where marriages between cousins are called ‘incest’ and are illegal.  I am not. In fact I have distant cousins who are married in my own family, and to me it’s pretty weird and offensive to see the word ‘incest’ applied to that very normal relationship, when to me, incest suggests much darker relations between siblings or between parent and child. 

You can see this difference pretty clearly in Tolkien’s work.  Galadriel and Celeborn married when surrounded by people who all knew about their distant family connection, they have a very long and apparently mostly successful marriage and a daughter. 

Turin and Nienor married because they didn’t know they were brother and sister, and it’s fairly clear that it happened because their entire family was under a terrible curse.  When they found out, both of them were horrified, and Nienor killed herself and her unborn child. This is clearly intended to be appalling. 

(I think it’s probably also inspired by versions of Arthurian legend, where Mordred, Arthur’s final doom, is born of an incestuous relationship that Arthur is not aware is incestuous)

I am aware, however, that there are parts of the internet that don’t define incest in the same way I do (and for that matter, there are people who gleefully write sibling or parent/child incest, and since it’s fiction, good for them.  It’s not for me, I won’t read or write it, but I’m not telling other people not to write it.)

When I sign up for an exchange or other fandom event, I am clear about how I define incest and what I don’t want. This is not a dig at people who write other things, it’s the best way to make sure nobody writes or draws me stuff I don’t want and is then disappointed when I don’t like it. 

So yes, incest (between siblings or parent/child) bothers me even though it’s in canon. Where it occurs in canon, I think it’s intended to be dark and troubling, and it’s also rare.  I don’t see any conflict between this and the way Tolkien presents incest. (And I won’t be leaving the fandom because of it. 😀 ) 

Incest in Tolkien’s world was presented as disburbing and bothering. It was forbidden. Appaling. Bleh. And when it happened by accident, the result was a SUICIDE right after Nienor learned she had married and was going to have a child with her brother. So I kind of don’t understand the statement from the original post – how is this related to being or not being in Silm fandom? I’d even say that sticking to “incest is disgusting” approach is more canon-based.

@cycas I agree, marrage between distant cousins is what has been happening around Europe for ages. And for me too it is just the relationship between siblings (or parent-child), but I admit I catch myself thinking of pairings like Fingon/Maedhtos as incest too (and equally disgusting).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin_marriage

Here is an interesting map–your mileage may vary according to where one has been raised (as in the U.S.), culture, religion, or other variants affecting opinion.  

Dark Blue – First-cousin marriage legal 
Bright Blue –  Allowed with restrictions or exceptions
Gold – Legality dependent on religion or culture
Red – Statute bans first-cousin marriage  
Pink – Banned with exceptions
Maroon – Criminal offence  
Grey – No available data

I was rasied in the midwest of the U.S. as a Catholic, so my opinion growing up was first-cousin marriage = “Oh, no!” As an adult I learned that plenty of people in the world had different readings on the subject.